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Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://moppels.bar/@crossgolf_rebel" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">crossgolf_rebel - kostenlose Kwalitätsposts</a> @<a href="https://hollo.social/@hongminhee" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">洪民憙 (Hong Minhee)</a> Also, from the same creator, but much newer, <a href="https://codeberg.org/streams/streams" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">(streams)</a> and, created seven months ago but officially released just yesterday, <a href="https://codeberg.org/fortified/forte" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Forte</a>. #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Streams" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Streams</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=%28streams%29" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">(streams)</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Forte" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Forte</a>

crossgolf_rebel - kostenlose Kwalitätsposts<a href="https://moppels.bar/tags/DasSchöneBildZumMorgen" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#DasSchöneBildZumMorgen</a> nur für euch alle im <a href="https://moppels.bar/tags/Fediverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Fediverse</a> Egal welche Software ihr für das Fediverse dafür benutzt <a href="https://moppels.bar/tags/Pixelfed" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Pixelfed</a> <a href="https://moppels.bar/tags/Friendica" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Friendica</a> <a href="https://moppels.bar/tags/Sharkey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Sharkey</a> <a href="https://moppels.bar/tags/GoToSocial" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#GoToSocial</a> <a href="https://moppels.bar/tags/Hubzilla" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Hubzilla</a> <a href="https://moppels.bar/tags/Streams" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Streams</a> <a href="https://moppels.bar/tags/Glitch" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Glitch</a> <a href="https://moppels.bar/tags/Akkoma" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Akkoma</a> <a href="https://moppels.bar/tags/Pleroma" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Pleroma</a> <a href="https://moppels.bar/tags/Foundkey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Foundkey</a> <a href="https://moppels.bar/tags/IceShrimp" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#IceShrimp</a> usw.

EmpeRohr<a href="https://moppels.bar/@crossgolf_rebel" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@crossgolf_rebel</a> Guten morgen aus dem <a href="https://mastodon.world/tags/streams" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#streams</a>-netzwerk. oder war es das <a href="https://mastodon.world/tags/firefox" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#firefox</a>-netzwerk ? ich wünsche dir einen schönen tag

crossgolf_rebel - kostenlose KwalitätspostsGuten Morgen beste Timeline im <a href="https://moppels.bar/tags/streams" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#streams</a> Netzwerk. Meine Augen wollen noch nicht ganz aufgehen, ich war gestern bis 21.15 Uhr beim Vereinskollegen um an meinen Bogen weiter zu bauen. Ich sag mal so, es wird. Im Laufe des Tages mache ich dazu mal noch einen extra post fertig, mit Bilder drin. Jetzt erst mal Teen wecken und dann langsam fertig machen für auf Arbeit

crossgolf_rebel - kostenlose Kwalitätsposts<a href="https://berlin.social/@kingconsult" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@kingconsult@berlin.social</a> ähm Frage? Warum ist dort bei den Vergleichen der Netzwerken, eine einzelne Fediverse Software aufgeführt und nicht das ganze Netzwerk? Was tauchen <a href="https://moppels.bar/tags/GoToSocial" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#GoToSocial</a> <a href="https://moppels.bar/tags/Misskey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Misskey</a> <a href="https://moppels.bar/tags/Streams" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Streams</a> <a href="https://moppels.bar/tags/Friendica" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Friendica</a> <a href="https://moppels.bar/tags/Foundkey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Foundkey</a> <a href="https://moppels.bar/tags/Glitch" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Glitch</a> <a href="https://moppels.bar/tags/Sharkey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Sharkey</a> <a href="https://moppels.bar/tags/Pixelfed" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Pixelfed</a> als Software nicht auch mit auf? Fragen über Fragen die euch als Kommunikationsagentur fragwürdig machen, wenn ihr Software nicht von Netzwerrk unterscheiden könnt. <a href="https://social.tchncs.de/@kuketz" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@kuketz@social.tchncs.de</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/@creativecommons" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@creativecommons@mastodon.social</a>

Der Pepe (Hubzilla) ⁂ ⚝Man muss es ja beim Posten im Fediverse nicht übertreiben mit Formatierungen und Schnickschnack. Aber ein paar grundlegende Beitragsformatierungen gehören für mich - vor allem bei längeren Beiträgen (damit meine ich nicht 501 Zeichen, sondern mindestens 1.500+) - einfach dazu, weil sie auch die Lesbarkeit verbessern. Und ich klatsche gerne auch kleine Banner unter manche Postings (je nach Kontext)... z.B. das Join Hubzilla Banner (mit Link zur deutschsprachigen Hubzilla-Einstiegs-Seite) oder unter die Hubzilla-Häppchen das Hubzilla-Häppchen Banner, welches per Link zu allen Häppchen-Beiträgen führt. Friendica, Hubzilla und (streams) zeigen das auch ganz korrekt an. Die meisten anderen Dienst nicht ganz so schön. Da ist die Grafik (meist groß) vorhanden, darüber steht dann aber immerhin der Link zum jeweiligen Ziel. Nur Mastodon versaut es komplett. Da ist auch nur die zu große Grafik zu sehen... aber der Link wird unterschlagen. Aber soll ich wegen dieser Unzulänglichkeiten z.B. auf die Banner verzichten? NÖ! Und auf Bilder? Auch NÖ! Wer es anständig dargestellt haben möchte, muss dann halt Hubzilla, Friendica, Streams (und in Zukunft womöglich Forte) nutzen. Deshalb untendrunter auch wieder das Join-Hubzilla Banner... und für alle Mastodon-Nutzer: Der Link dahinter ist #^<a class="" href="https://hubzilla.hu" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://hubzilla.hu</a> 😉 #<a class="" href="https://hub.hubzilla.hu/search?tag=fediverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">fediverse</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.hubzilla.hu/search?tag=hubzilla" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">hubzilla</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.hubzilla.hu/search?tag=friendica" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">friendica</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.hubzilla.hu/search?tag=streams" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">streams</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.hubzilla.hu/search?tag=mastodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">mastodon</a> <a class="" href="https://hubzilla.hu/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"></a>

Jupiter RowlandCaution, Hubzilla users: (streams) may cause irritation. First of all: When you open an unread message, (streams) counts down five seconds before removing the message from the unread list. You will click it again. Worse yet: On (streams), you'll look for the settings in the channel menu, but they're in the app menu. And when you've used (streams) for a while, and you return to Hubzilla, you'll look for the settings in the app menu until you remember that they're in the channel menu. #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Hubzilla" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hubzilla</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Streams" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Streams</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=%28streams%29" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">(streams)</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=MuscleMemory" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">MuscleMemory</a>

Jupiter RowlandHere's another thing that you may not know about <a href="https://hubzilla.org" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hubzilla</a> and <a href="https://codeberg.org/streams/streams" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">(streams)</a> yet: Not only do they have quote-posts, but they also have pretty effective anti-quote-post defences. Hubzilla Hubzilla has a permission setting named "Can source/mirror my public posts in derived channels". It has been there since 2012 when Hubzilla was still a fledgling project named Red, that's 13 years now. Whether someone may quote-post ("share") your public posts depends on the setting in the channel role. If your channel is set to "Public", I think everyone is allowed to share your public posts. If it's set to "Private", you can (and have to) grant that permission to your connections individually by contact role. Those whom you aren't connected to are not allowed to share any of your posts. The "Custom" channel role lets you choose between granting that permission, one out of 17 permissions, to: <ul><li>everyone in the Fediverse</li><li>everyone on Hubzilla and (streams)</li><li>everyone on your home hub</li><li>unconfirmed and confirmed connections</li><li>confirmed connections</li><li>only those whom you individually grant that permission</li><li>nobody but you</li></ul> (streams) (streams) goes even further. As far as I know, it doesn't give you the option to let everyone quote-post any of your posts in the first place. Not only are you always opted out to the point that only you yourself may quote-post your posts, but you can't even fully opt in. No matter if your channel type is "Social - Public" or "Social - Restricted", the only ones who are allowed to quote-post even only your public posts are those of your connections who get the permission from you. Unlike on Hubzilla, however, you don't have to fumble around with permission roles, although you may do so to speed things up. You've also got a dedicated switch for this permission on each connection labelled "Grant permission to republish/mirror your posts". The effect This permission has its strongest effect on Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte: If one of their users is not allowed to share one of your posts, the Share button is missing altogether. And there's no real way around the Share button. In fact, the Repeat button is missing, too. If you aren't allowed to quote-post it, you aren't allowed to boost it either. This permission is not about how you may forward someone's content, but whether you may forward it. Unfortunately, Fediverse users probably everywhere else are not affected by this permission. Users of Pleroma, Misskey and their respective forks can still quote-post you to their heart's content. And I've got my doubts that Mastodon will understand this permission when it introduces quote-posts. Then again, it's highly likely that Mastodon's quote-post opt-in or opt-out won't work outside of Mastodon either. Privacy as an extra line of defence If you really want to be safe, you've additionally got the option to not post in public. Any post that isn't public can neither be repeated (boosted) nor shared (quote-posted). Both Hubzilla and (streams) give you the option to send a post to the members of a privacy group/access list (think Mastodon list on coke and 'roids), to a specific group/forum or to any individual selection of connections of yours. (streams) also has Mastodon's option to send a post to all your connections; Hubzilla can emulate that with a privacy group with all your connections in it. Okay, your post will lose a whole lot of reach. But this is a trick that even Mastodon understands in a certain way: If a post from Hubzilla or (streams) has a restricted audience, Mastodon takes it for a PM. And you can't boost PMs, can you? #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuotePost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuotePost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuotePosts" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuotePosts</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuoteTweet" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuoteTweet</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuoteTweets" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuoteTweets</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuoteToot" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuoteToot</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuoteToots" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuoteToots</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuoteBoost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuoteBoost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuoteBoosts" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuoteBoosts</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuotedShares" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuotedShares</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuotePostDebate" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuotePostDebate</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuoteTootDebate" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuoteTootDebate</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Mastodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mastodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Pleroma" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Pleroma</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Akkoma" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Akkoma</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Misskey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Misskey</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Forkey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Forkey</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Forkeys" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Forkeys</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Hubzilla" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hubzilla</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Streams" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Streams</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=%28streams%29" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">(streams)</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Permissions" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Permissions</a>

Lasse Gismo - 🇮🇱🇺🇦🇸🇩AUFRUF ------Ich möchte gerne ein möglichst vollständige Matrix der Features der Fediversesoftwaren erstellen, an prominenter Stelle für alle Interessierten zur Verfügung stellen und Neueinsteigern die Wahl der zu ihren Bedürfnissen passenden Fediversesoftware erleichtern. Also - wer eine der unten gelisteten SWs kennt, benutzt oder entwickelt und 15 Minuten Lebenszeit erübrigen kann, möge sich bitte bei <a href="https://climatejustice.social/@LasseGismo" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@LasseGismo</a> melden um das Projekt zu unterstützen. Ich werde einen Cryptpadlink zur Verfügung stellen um die Änderungen/Ergänzungen direkt in die Tabelle einzutragen. Wer zudem der Ansicht ist, daß eine Software fehlt und dazu inhaltlich beitragen will, ist natürlich gerne eingeladen sich zu melden. Hier der Link zur Vorlage, mit Dank an Chris.Fediversefeature-Matrix-DE.xlsx <a href="https://lassegismo.dnsuser.info/nextcloud/s/MNLcHQMyEDQdRTG" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://lassegismo.dnsuser.info/nextcloud/s/MNLcHQMyEDQdRTG</a>Boosts sind natürlich sehr willkommen.Ich danke für Eure Zeit - nur gemeinsam sind wir stark.CALL ------I would like to create, as complete as possible, a matrix with the features of each Fediverse software, make it available in a prominent place for all interested parties and make it easier for newcomers to choose the Fediverse software that suits their needs. So - if you know, use or develop one of the SWs listed below and can spare 15 minutes of your life, please contact <a href="https://climatejustice.social/@LasseGismo" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@LasseGismo</a> to support the project. I will provide a cryptpad link to enter the changes/additions directly into the table. If you also think that a software is missing and want to contribute to the content, you are of course welcome to contact me. Here is the link to the template, with thanks to Chris.Fediversefeature-Matrix-EN.xlsx <a href="https://lassegismo.dnsuser.info/nextcloud/s/XeH8X3bPfPJHdMx" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://lassegismo.dnsuser.info/nextcloud/s/XeH8X3bPfPJHdMx</a>Boosts are of course very welcome.Thank you for your time - only together we are strong.<a href="https://moppels.bar/@crossgolf_rebel" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@crossgolf_rebel</a> <a href="https://climatejustice.social/@PaulaToThePeople" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@PaulaToThePeople</a> <a href="https://im.allmendenetz.de/channel/chris" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@chris</a> <a href="https://climatejustice.social/tags/FediHelp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#FediHelp</a> <a href="https://climatejustice.social/tags/FollowerPower" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#FollowerPower</a> <a href="https://climatejustice.social/tags/Akkoma" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Akkoma</a> <a href="https://climatejustice.social/tags/BookWyrm" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#BookWyrm</a> <a href="https://climatejustice.social/tags/Castopod" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Castopod</a> <a href="https://climatejustice.social/tags/Diaspora" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Diaspora</a> <a href="https://climatejustice.social/tags/Firefish" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Firefish</a> <a href="https://climatejustice.social/tags/Friendica" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Friendica</a> <a href="https://climatejustice.social/tags/Funkwhale" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Funkwhale</a> <a href="https://climatejustice.social/tags/Gancio" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Gancio</a> <a href="https://climatejustice.social/tags/GNUSocial" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#GNUSocial</a> <a href="https://climatejustice.social/tags/GoToSocial" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#GoToSocial</a> <a href="https://climatejustice.social/tags/Hubzilla" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Hubzilla</a> <a href="https://climatejustice.social/tags/kbin" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#kbin</a> <a href="https://climatejustice.social/tags/Lemmy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Lemmy</a> <a href="https://climatejustice.social/tags/Mastodon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Mastodon</a> <a href="https://climatejustice.social/tags/Misskey" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Misskey</a> <a href="https://climatejustice.social/tags/Mobilizon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Mobilizon</a> <a href="https://climatejustice.social/tags/Nextcloud" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Nextcloud</a> <a href="https://climatejustice.social/tags/PeerTube" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#PeerTube</a> <a href="https://climatejustice.social/tags/Pixelfed" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Pixelfed</a> <a href="https://climatejustice.social/tags/Pleroma" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Pleroma</a> <a href="https://climatejustice.social/tags/Socialhome" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Socialhome</a> <a href="https://climatejustice.social/tags/Streams" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Streams</a> <a href="https://climatejustice.social/tags/WriteFreely" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#WriteFreely</a> <a href="https://climatejustice.social/tags/Wordpress" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Wordpress</a>

Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://climatejustice.social/@PaulaToThePeople" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">PaulaToThePeople</a> It isn't just a matter of consent. Besides, for example, I do have quote-post control here on Hubzilla. I can give permission to quote-post my posts to <ul><li>everyone in the Fediverse</li><li>everyone on Hubzilla and (streams)</li><li>everyone on this hub</li><li>approved and unapproved connections</li><li>only approved connections</li><li>only those of my connections whom I explicitly give permission by contact role</li><li>nobody but myself</li></ul> Over on (streams), I can still give that permission to <ul><li>everyone in the Fediverse</li><li>all my connections</li><li>only myself + specific connections whom I grant that permission either by permission role or by individual connection settings</li></ul> It's much more a matter of technology. Mastodon is about to completely re-invent the wheel with a non-standard, Mastodon-only setting. This setting will only work within Mastodon simply because it probably won't even be documented anywhere, especially not before it's officially rolled out. There simply is no way that every last instance of Pleroma, Akkoma, Misskey, Calckey, Firefish, Iceshrimp, CherryPick, Catodon, Meisskey, Tanukey, Neko, dozens of other Misskey forks, Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams), Forte etc. etc. will have that setting implemented before Mastodon rolls it out so that even the users on mastodon.social are perfectly safe from the first second on. Besides, @<a class="" href="https://fediversity.site/channel/mikedev" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mike Macgirvin 🖥️</a>, creator of Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte and still the only maintainer of the latter two, will never introduce proprietary Mastodon features to them. He'd rather risk (streams) and Forte becoming incompatible with Mastodon. The same goes for @<a class="" href="https://hub.somaton.com/channel/mario" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mario Vavti</a> and @<a class="" href="https://hub.volse.no/channel/harald" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Harald Eilertsen</a>, Hubzilla's main maintainers. If Mastodon wants to become a perfectly safe haven against unallowed quote-posting, it has only got one choice: It must introduce something like (streams)' and Forte's user agent filter and use it to block just everything that isn't Mastodon. Like, include a hard-coded allowlist that only includes Mastodon plus what little can't quote or quote-post anyway. #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Fediverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Fediverse</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Mastodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mastodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Pleroma" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Pleroma</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Akkoma" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Akkoma</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Misskey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Misskey</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Forkey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Forkey</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Forkeys" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Forkeys</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Calckey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Calckey</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Firefish" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Firefish</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Iceshrimp" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Iceshrimp</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CherryPick" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CherryPick</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Sharkey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Sharkey</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Catodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Catodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Friendica" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Friendica</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Hubzilla" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hubzilla</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Streams" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Streams</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=%28streams%29" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">(streams)</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Forte" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Forte</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuotePost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuotePost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuotePosts" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuotePosts</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuoteTweet" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuoteTweet</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuoteTweets" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuoteTweets</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuoteToot" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuoteToot</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuoteToots" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuoteToots</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuoteBoost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuoteBoost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuoteBoosts" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuoteBoosts</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuotedShares" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuotedShares</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuotePostDebate" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuotePostDebate</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuoteTootDebate" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuoteTootDebate</a>

Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://climatejustice.social/@PaulaToThePeople" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">PaulaToThePeople</a> @<a href="https://stefanbohacek.online/@stefan" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stefan Bohacek</a> Keep one thing in mind: Mastodon may not have quote-posts yet. But the Fediverse has quote-posts right now. And it has had them since before Mastodon was made. Pleroma, Akkoma, Misskey, Calckey, Firefish, Iceshrimp, CherryPick, Catodon, Meisskey, Tanukey, Neko, dozens of other Misskey forks, Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams), Forte etc. etc., they all have quote-posts. They're all fully capable of quote-posting any Mastodon toot. None of them has introduced quote-posts to harass Twitter refugees on Mastodon. At least Friendica and Hubzilla have had quote-posts since long before Mastodon was even made. <blockquote>You will be able to choose whether your posts can be quoted at all.</blockquote> At least by Mastodon users. But since this will be Mastodon re-inventing the wheel with brand-new, proprietary, Mastodon-only technology, everything I've listed above will still be able to quote-post anyone and anything on Mastodon with zero resistance. To quote-post myself and the guy who invented Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte: <a href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/channel/jupiter_rowland?f=&zid=microblog.at%40microblog.at" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"></a><a href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/channel/jupiter_rowland?f=&zid=microblog.at%40microblog.at" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Jupiter Rowland</a> schrieb den folgenden <a href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/4b01693c-31f5-4998-80f2-2ee530201190?f=&zid=microblog.at%40microblog.at" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Beitrag</a> Sat, 20 Jul 2024 01:29:11 +0200 I think I've just chased someone out of the Fediverse. That someone was afraid of Mastodon being "screwed over" by becoming quote-post-able. I've told him the truth: Mastodon has been quote-post-able for as long as it has been around. Mastodon became quote-post-able the very moment it was launched. That's because when Mastodon was launched, it immediately federated with Friendica which is from 2010, which had been around for almost six years at that point, and which has had quote-posts from its own inception AFAIK. Mastodon also immediately federated with Hubzilla which has had quote-posts since its own inception, since it had been forked from Friendica, and that was in 2012. Mastodon has never been un-quote-post-able. Right now, there are dozens of Fediverse server apps whose users can quote-post Mastodon toots with no resistance. #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuotePost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuotePost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuotePosts" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuotePosts</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuoteTweet" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuoteTweet</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuoteTweets" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuoteTweets</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuoteToot" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuoteToot</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuoteToots" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuoteToots</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuoteBoost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuoteBoost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuoteBoosts" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuoteBoosts</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuotedShares" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuotedShares</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuotePostDebate" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuotePostDebate</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuoteTootDebate" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuoteTootDebate</a> <a href="https://fediversity.site/channel/mikedev?f=&zid=microblog.at%40microblog.at" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"></a><a href="https://fediversity.site/channel/mikedev?f=&zid=microblog.at%40microblog.at" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mike Macgirvin 🖥️</a> schrieb den folgenden <a href="https://fediversity.site/item/6e7c3fd2-1de5-4a08-8455-4d5689a9f658?f=&zid=microblog.at%40microblog.at" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Beitrag</a> Sat, 20 Jul 2024 03:18:39 +0200 The closest you'll ever get to making Mastodon un-quote-postable is to post privately. Not unlisted. Private. Most fediverse software will honour this today; and it doesn't require yet another "pretend permission". Like unlisted. And Mike should know. He brought things to the Fediverse like actually working permissions. Including permissions on two levels to quote-post any content on a channel. Readily available right now at least on Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte. Also, this is what people on Friendica and its descendants have been using quote-posts for since 2010. <blockquote>You will be notified when someone quotes you.</blockquote> You already are when someone on Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams) or Forte quote-posts one of your posts. As for Pleroma, Misskey and their forks, you aren't notified right now, and I've got my doubts that you will be after this change. Also, "quote" and "quote-post" are two different things. Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte can do both. "Quote" is what I'm doing right here. Whether or not you're notified depends on whether or not you're mentioned. And blocking quotes is even less possible. A quote only consists of a pair of BBcode tags plus the quoted text in-between. And on Friendica and all its descendants, you don't work with a WYSIWYG editor by default, but you have to get your hands dirty on raw markup code. <blockquote>You will be able to withdraw your post from the quoted context at any time.</blockquote> Again, probably not if someone on Pleroma, Misskey or one of their forks quote-posts you. And definitely not if someone on Friendica or one of its descendants quote-posts you. The difference is that a quote-post on Pleroma, Misskey or one of their forks is actually a reference to the original. On Friendica and its descendants, a quote-post is an automatically generated dumb copy of the original. #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Fediverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Fediverse</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Mastodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mastodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Pleroma" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Pleroma</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Akkoma" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Akkoma</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Misskey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Misskey</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Forkey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Forkey</a> #<a class="" 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noreferrer" target="_blank">Friendica</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Hubzilla" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hubzilla</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Streams" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Streams</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=%28streams%29" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">(streams)</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Forte" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Forte</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuotePost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuotePost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuotePosts" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuotePosts</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuoteTweet" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuoteTweet</a> #<a class="" 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crossgolf_rebel - kostenlose Kwalitätsposts<a href="https://social.growyourown.services/@FediTips" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@FediTips@social.growyourown.services</a> Why are all <a href="https://moppels.bar/tags/FediTips" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#FediTips</a> so mastodon centred? Where are the references to the services that can draw more like <a href="https://moppels.bar/tags/Akkoma" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Akkoma</a> <a href="https://moppels.bar/tags/Pleroma" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Pleroma</a> <a href="https://moppels.bar/tags/WriteFreely" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#WriteFreely</a> <a href="https://moppels.bar/tags/Hubzilla" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Hubzilla</a> <a href="https://moppels.bar/tags/Streams" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Streams</a> <a href="https://moppels.bar/tags/Friendica" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Friendica</a> <a href="https://moppels.bar/tags/Sharkey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Sharkey</a> <a href="https://moppels.bar/tags/IceShrimp" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#IceShrimp</a> <a href="https://moppels.bar/tags/Misskey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Misskey</a> etc. In the list are only mastodon instances, not one with another software, why? <a href="https://moppels.bar/tags/FediTipps" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#FediTipps</a> <a href="https://moppels.bar/tags/FediTp" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#FediTp</a> <a href="https://moppels.bar/tags/NeuHier" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#NeuHier</a> <a href="https://moppels.bar/tags/Introduction" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Introduction</a>

Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://social.cologne/@droidboy" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Droid Boy :coolified:</a> Eine Option ist ein WordPress-Blog mit der ActivityPub-Erweiterung von @<a href="https://mastodon.social/users/pfefferle" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Matthias Pfefferle</a>. Offenkundigster Nachteil: Du wirst höchstwahrscheinlich zumindest aktuell dein Blog tutto kompletto selber hosten müssen. Ich weiß nicht, ob es irgendwo fix und fertig gehostete WordPress-Blogs mit ActivityPub gibt. Option 2: <a href="https://writefreely.org/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">WriteFreely</a>. Einfache, cleane, ablenkungslose Oberfläche in der Art wie Medium. Nachteile: Kommentare gibt's nicht (also gar nicht), du kannst von WriteFreely aus nichts und niemandem folgen (sondern nur selber bloggen), und Bilder wirst du selber nochmal woanders hosten müssen, von wo aus du sie in deine Posts hotlinken mußt. Option 3: <a href="https://joinplu.me/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Plume</a>. Auch sehr aufgeräumt, kann Kommentare, hat eingebauten Filespace für Bilder. Die Entwicklung ist aber komplett eingeschlafen, weil die Entwickler keine Zeit haben, und sie selbst empfehlen aktuell sogar WriteFreely. Optionen 4, 5 und 6: <a href="https://friendi.ca" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Friendica</a>, <a href="https://hubzilla.org" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hubzilla</a>, <a href="https://codeberg.org/streams/streams" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">(streams)</a>. Alle vom selben Schöpfer, @<a class="" href="https://fediversity.site/channel/mikedev" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mike Macgirvin 🖥️</a>: Friendica ist vom 2010, Hubzilla ist ein Friendica-Fork von 2012 und 2015 zu Hubzilla geworden, (streams) ist noch einen Haufen Forks später von 2021. <a href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/0a75de76-eb27-4149-b708-f20b2f79d392" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hier habe ich mal Vergleichstabellen gemacht</a>, die auch Mastodon einschließen für die, die nur Mastodon kennen und Mastodon als Maßstab nehmen. Friendica und (streams) können alles, Hubzilla noch mehr. Du kannst sie als Facebook-Ersatz nutzen, du kannst sie, wenn du willst, als Twitter-Ersatz nutzen, du kannst sie gleichzeitig als vollwertige Blogging-Plattform mit allem Schickimicki nutzen. Titel, Zusammenfassung (auf Friendica und (streams) als Tagpaar, auf Hubzilla als eigenständiges Feld), sehr viele Zeichen (Friendica: 200.000, (streams): über 24 Millionen), beliebig viele Bilder in Posts einbetten, alles Mögliche an Textformatierung und -gestaltung, Hashtag-Cloud, separate Kategorien, die teilweise auch als Cloud gehen, usw. usf. Hubzilla hat sogar noch eine separate, optionale Artikel-"App", mit der du sowas wie Blogposts veröffentlichen kannst, die dann aber nicht über ActivityPub rausgehen und Mastodon-Nutzer nicht nerven. (Dafür gehen sie aber auch nicht als Atom-Feed raus.) Dazu hast du eingebauten Filespace, den du auf Hubzilla und (streams) sogar per WebDAV einbinden kannst. Auf Friendica und (streams) kannst du im Filespace für jedes Bild einen Alt-Text eingeben, der dann automatisch mit dem Bild in den Post eingebettet wird. Du hast auch Berechtigungssteuerungen, die auf Hubzilla und (streams) noch leistungsfähiger sind als auf Friendica. Zumindest auf Hubzilla und (streams) hast du Kommentarkontrolle auf drei Ebenen, die auf (streams) auf Per-Post-Ebene sogar noch etwas ausgefuchster sein kann. Hubzilla und (streams) haben sogar die sonst fast überall im Fediverse übliche bombenfeste Verbindung zwischen Konto und Identität aufgelöst. Du kannst beliebig viele, völlig separate Identitäten ("Kanäle") auf demselben Konto haben und lustig dazwischen hin- und herschalten, ohne dich aus- und wieder einloggen zu müssen. Persönlicher Social-Networking-Kanal + vier davon (und voneinander) separate Blogs + ein, zwei Gruppen/Foren, alles auf einem Login? Kein Problem. Falls du selbst hosten willst: Alle drei kommen mit einem LAMP-Stack klar. Kein exotisches Zeugs nötig. Falls du nicht selbst hosten willst: Hubzilla und (streams) bieten nomadische Identität. Du kannst also einzelne Kanäle über mehrere Serverinstanzen klonen, und die werden wie bidirektionale Live-Backups immer gegeneinander synchronisiert. Wenn ein Server ausfällt, hast du immer noch mindestens eine Reserve. Okay, jetzt kommen die Nachteile: Alle drei sind mächtig. Friendica ist sehr mächtig, (streams) sehr sehr mächtig, Hubzilla sehr sehr sehr mächtig. Entsprechend sind auch die Lernkurven, zumal keins von den dreien eine UI hat, die aussieht, als wäre sie erst gestern von einem Startup für ein paar Millionen an Risikokapital von Profis designt worden. Außerdem sind es keine puristischen, spezialisierten Blogginganwendungen. Sie haben also auch für den Leser nicht unbedingt die aufgeräumte Oberfläche eines WordPress-Blog, geschweige denn von Medium. Für Friendica gibt's keine iOS-App, und Mastodon-Apps gehen eher so lala, wenn überhaupt. Für Hubzilla und (streams) gibt's gar keine Apps, und Mastodon-Apps gehen gar nicht und werden das auch nie. Noch dazu hat (streams) aktuell nur zwei öffentliche Instanzen mit offener Registrierung, die obendrein fast unmöglich zu finden sind, davon nur eine in Europa. Beide haben allerdings sehr kompetente Admins. #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LangerPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LangerPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLangerPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLangerPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Fediverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Fediverse</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=WordPress" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">WordPress</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=WordPress_ActivityPub_Plugin" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">WordPress_ActivityPub_Plugin</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=WriteFreely" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">WriteFreely</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Plume" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Plume</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Friendica" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Friendica</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Hubzilla" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hubzilla</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Streams" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Streams</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=%28streams%29" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">(streams)</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Blog" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Blog</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Blogs" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Blogs</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Blogging" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Blogging</a>

Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://friendica.world/profile/dandylover1" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Georgiana Brummell</a> <blockquote>What are the differences between Diaspora, Pleroma, Hubzilla, Hometown, and Glitch? How do they compare to Friendica as far as features?</blockquote> As for Hubzilla vs Friendica, I've made a series of tables that compare Mastodon, Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams). I've made them for those who are looking for a Facebook alternative in the Fediverse, but who only know Mastodon first-hand and Friendica from hearsay. But these tables are useless for blind or visually-impaired users, and I can't change that because it's in the nature of tables. Also, I don't have all data for Friendica yet. (In case someone sighted comes across this comment and wants to see the tables: <a href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/0a75de76-eb27-4149-b708-f20b2f79d392" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Here they are</a>). So I'll try to do a Hubzilla vs Friendica comparison here. Hold on and take some time, for this will be very, very, very long. 42 lines of comparison with over 10,000 characters. Friendica was created by Mike Macgirvin in 2010. Hubzilla started out as a Friendica fork by Mike Macgirvin himself in 2012, originally named Red (from spanish la red = the network), then renamed Red Matrix. It was repositioned, reworked, massively extended beyond Friendica's features and renamed Hubzilla in 2015. Friendica has native Android apps, a closed beta native iOS app and support for Mastodon apps, even though Mastodon apps only cover 20% of Friendica's features at most. Hubzilla doesn't have any mobile apps, at least none for iOS, none in the Google Play Store, none that could be installed on a new Android device and none with a fully native mobile user interface. Hubzilla also also doesn't support Mastodon apps and never will. That's mainly because a Mastodon app can't cover over 90% of Hubzilla's features, including features which you need all the time such as file upload, image embedding, handling of connections and permission controls, simply because Mastodon doesn't have these features. Hubzilla would require its very own apps, and due to Hubzilla's immense complexity and wealth of features, a fully-featured, dedicated Hubzilla app would be absolutely gargantuan and just as complex as Hubzilla itself. On Friendica, ActivityPub federation is available from the get-go. On Hubzilla, ActivityPub federation is optional, and on newly-created channels, it is off by default. Friendica can integrate Bluesky and Tumblr accounts. Hubzilla can't. On Friendica, your account is your identity. Your identity is firmly tied to your account. On hubzilla, your identity is independent from your account. It resides in a container called a "channel", of which you can have multiple, fully independent ones on the same account. This also allows you to switch back and forth between channels or identities without logging out and back in. Friendica has limited capabilities of moving your identity to another instance. Hubzilla has nomadic identity. For one, this makes it possible to relocate an entire channel with all posts, all comments, all private messages, all connections, nearly all settings, all files in your file space etc. etc. to another instance. Besides, it makes it possible to clone a channel to one or multiple other instances. This gives you live, hot, real-time, bidirectional backups of your channel, and you can log into and use any of them. That way, your channel is much more resilient against instance shutdown. If you delete a Hubzilla channel, you cannot create a channel with the same short name on the same Hubzilla hub unless the admin fully deletes your channel from the database. If you delete a clone of a Hubzilla channel, you cannot clone the same channel back to the same hub unless the admin fully deletes your channel from the database. Friendica has client-side support for OpenWebAuth magic single sign-on. Hubzilla has full support. This means that Friendica logins are recognised by instances with full OpenWebAuth support, but Friendica itself doesn't recognise logins elsewhere. Hubzilla logins are recognised the same, and Hubzilla does recognise logins elsewhere. Friendica has some basic permission control. On Hubzilla, it is much more advanced and fine-grained. On Friendica, you can set your profile to private. On Hubzilla, you can give permission to see your profile to anybody on the internet, anybody in the Fediverse, anybody on Hubzilla or (streams), anybody on your hub, unapproved and approved connections, approved connections, only those you specifically allow by contact role or only yourself. On Friendica, you can set your list of connections to private. On Hubzilla, you can give permission to see your connections to anybody on the internet, anybody in the Fediverse, anybody on Hubzilla or (streams), anybody on your hub, unapproved and approved connections, approved connections, only those you specifically allow by contact role or only yourself. On Friendica, you can set your timeline to private; as far as I know, this happens along with setting your profile to private. On Hubzilla, you can give permission to see your stream to anybody on the internet, anybody in the Fediverse, anybody on Hubzilla or (streams), anybody on your hub, unapproved and approved connections, approved connections, only those you specifically allow by contact role or only yourself. I don't know if Friendica can give specific permissions to specific connections. Hubzilla has so-called "contact roles". Each contact has a contact role that grants or denies 17 different permissions. Permissions granted channel-wide from the channel role are inherited by all contact roles. Two of these permissions are for your contacts to send you their posts and for your contacts to send you private messages. On Hubzilla, you can keep both everyone and specific contacts from sending you repeats/boosts/reposts/renotes with a line of filter syntax in a filter blacklist. On Hubzilla, you can send any of your posts as public, only to yourself, to all members of a privacy group (which is similar to a circle on Friendica), to whoever is assigned a certain non-default profile, to one specific group/forum or to a custom selection of contacts. You can also define your default post audience, either one of your privacy groups, or your posts are public by default. Hubzilla has three levels of reply control. At channel level, you can give permission to reply to your posts to anybody on the internet, anybody in the Fediverse, anybody on Hubzilla or (streams), anybody on your hub, unapproved and approved connections, approved connections, only those you specifically allow by contact role or only yourself. In addition, you can choose to let comments in from those who are not permitted to comment on your posts, preview them and then manually decide whether or not you accept each comment. Reply control at per-contact level means that you can use contact roles to grant or deny permission to reply to your comments to certain connections. Reply control at per-post level is optional and off by default. It lets you disallow comments on individual posts of yours entirely. Likewise, there is quote-post control at channel level and at per-contact level. On Friendica, you can report posts to the admin. On Hubzilla, you can't. This feature is currently being discussed. I don't know about Friendica, but Hubzilla has a channel-wide filter with a whitelist and a blacklist, and optionally, it has an individual filter for each connection with a whitelist and a blacklist. Hubzilla allows regular expressions in filter lines, but only for normal keywords, not in lines with filter syntax. Hubzilla's filter syntax can recognise posts, comments and private messages. This is of very limited usefulness, however: If you want to whitelist certain keywords for posts, but let all comments and all private messages through, you'd have to use filter syntax in a whitelist. But in whitelists, keyword lines are connected with "or" whereas filter syntax lines are connected with "and" which means that you cannot combine keywords with filter syntax. There is also filter syntax for keywords, but these lines are connected with "and" in whitelists, too, and each line can only contain one keyword with no regular expression. On Friendica, summaries or Mastodon-style content warnings are created with a pair of BBcode tags, either <code>[abstract][/abstract]</code> or <code>[abstract=apub][/abstract]</code>. This works for posts, comments and private messages. Hubzilla has a dedicated summary field for posts, but none for comments. In theory, it also has the BBcode tag pair <code>[summary][/summary]</code>, but in practice, it is broken. Friendica optionally offers Markdown for text formatting in addition to BBcode. Hubzilla only offers BBcode. Friendica doesn't have or support polls. Hubzilla has full support for basically unlimited polls. Friendica calls reposting "sharing" and quote-posting "quoted sharing". Hubzilla calls reposting "repeating" and quote-posting "sharing". On Hubzilla, you can optionally be notified when a stranger mentions you out of the blue outside any conversation on your stream. On Friendica, you can make a group restricted or private. On Hubzilla, you can give a group or a forum privacy, too, but by choosing the "Custom" channel role instead of the "Community forum" channel role, and you have to adjust the level of privacy by hand. The advantage is that you have fine-grained control over what exactly you want to be private in your group or forum. Private Friendica groups can be joined by users on Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams) and probably also Forte. Private Hubzilla groups or forums can only be joined by users on Hubzilla, (streams) and maybe Forte. Friendica has a central directory of users, groups etc., the <a href="https://dir.friendica.social/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Friendica Directory</a>. Hubzilla doesn't have such a thing. Friendica nodes have their own directories; I'm not sure if they only list Friendica accounts or accounts and channels of everything that uses ActivityPub, or if they even include diaspora* users. Hubzilla hubs have such directories, too, but they only list Hubzilla and (streams) channels because they can only list what uses the built-in and permanently activated Nomad protocol. In your Hubzilla directory, you can hide channels that are flagged not safe for work. Hubzilla has an option that gives those who are permitted to see a post the permission to also see any media embedded in the post, regardless of the permissions set for the respective media in your file space. This was introduced due to the wide-spread issue of people uploading images and setting them or the directores the images are in to private, then embedding them into public posts and the audience of the posts not seeing the images. On Hubzilla, you can give guest access tokens to people whom you want to access certain files or directories in your file space. The file space built into your Hubzilla channel can be accessed via WebDAV. Hubzilla also has a built-in CalDAV calendar server which can use the event calendar as a simple frontend and an optional headless CardDAV addressbook server. Hubzilla optionally has "articles", long-form text posts with the same full text formatting capabilities as normal posts, but which don't federate. Hubzilla optionally has "cards", basically planning cards with the same features as articles plus a few extra features. Hubzilla optionally has multiple wikis per channel with multiple pages per wiki. Wikis can be set up to use either BBcode or Markdown as their markup language with a few wiki-specific additions in both cases. Hubzilla optionally has simple, static webpages which can be formatted with either BBcode, Markdown or plain HTML. Hubzilla's own official website <a href="https://hubzilla.org" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">hubzilla.org</a> is a webpage on a Hubzilla channel. I think that's about it. As for diaspora*: Forget it. For one, it does not support ActivityPub, and it does not federate with most of the Fediverse. The diaspora* developers staunchly refuse to add any other protocols to diaspora*, especially ActivityPub. One has actually said that you don't implement ActivityPub, you implement Mastodon. And the diaspora* developers don't want to make themselves dependent on Mastodon. Besides, diaspora* is withering away. Around December 29th, a number of major diaspora* pods shut down. According to one source, diaspora* lost over half its user accounts in three days. And the closure of diasp.org, one of the biggest pods, is scheduled for April 1st now. Quote: <blockquote>Are there any other networks I should know about?</blockquote> End quote. From the same creator as Friendica and Hubzilla, there is something he created in 2021 at the end of a long and somewhat complex line of forks. It is officially and intentionally nameless, brandless, not a project and released into the public domain. Colloquially, it is named (streams) in parentheses after the name of its code repository. You can find the latter with an extensive readme <a href="https://codeberg.org/streams/streams" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">here</a>. It is slimmed down in features from Hubzilla, and it doesn't offer nearly the connection and federation options of Friendica and Hubzilla. But it is easier to handle while still having a steeper learning curve than Friendica, and especially its permission system is both another bit powerful and significantly easier to use than Hubzilla's. (streams) has no mobile apps and no compatibility with Mastodon apps either for the same reasons as why Hubzilla doesn't isn't compatible with Mastodon apps. (streams) is included in my comparison tables, too. If you want me, I can rattle down another comparison with Friendica like the one with Hubzilla above. In August, 2024, Mike made another fork based on (streams) named Forte. It's basically (streams), but with a name, with a brand identity, as a project, released under the MIT license and with no support for the Nomad protocol anymore. It does everything using only ActivityPub. This also means that it relies entirely on ActivityPub for nomadic identity. Since especially this is still highly experimental, Forte itself has not officially been released yet, it is not recommended as a reliable daily driver, nor does it have public, open-registration instances. Quote: <blockquote>Finally, will the interface of the page on Friendica change depending on my instance?</blockquote> End quote. As far as I know, different Friendica nodes have different default themes, especially now that the Facebook-like Bookface theme may be officially included into Friendica. #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=diaspora%2A" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">diaspora*</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Friendica" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Friendica</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Hubzilla" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hubzilla</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Streams" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Streams</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=%28streams%29" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">(streams)</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Forte" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Forte</a>

utopiArte<a href="https://tupambae.org/search?tag=Facebook" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Facebook</a> <a href="https://tupambae.org/search?tag=FacebookAlternative" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#FacebookAlternative</a> <a href="https://tupambae.org/search?tag=Friendica" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Friendica</a> <a href="https://tupambae.org/search?tag=Hubzilla" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Hubzilla</a> <a href="https://tupambae.org/search?tag=Streams" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Streams</a> <a href="https://tupambae.org/search?tag=(streams)" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#(streams)</a> <a href="https://tupambae.org/search?tag=Forte" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Forte</a> <a href="https://tupambae.org/search?tag=fediVerse" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#fediVerse</a> ♲ <a href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/32a770e5-1ef8-433f-8607-3ad9a07b10d6" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/32a77…</a>

Franky :friendica:<a href="https://anonsys.net/profile/tux" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@tux</a> <a href="https://moppels.bar/users/98zdjovf3p" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@crossgolf_rebel</a> <a href="https://social.tchncs.de/users/marcr" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@marcr</a> Wenn ich mir den Funktionsumfang anschaue, geht das über die FB-Gruppen hinaus. Da wäre <a href="https://friendica-leipzig.de/search?tag=streams" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#streams</a> tatsächlich die echte <a href="https://friendica-leipzig.de/search?tag=Alternative" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Alternative</a> und ist zufällig (😄) noch im <a href="https://friendica-leipzig.de/search?tag=Fediverse" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Fediverse</a>. Da würde ich einen Account anmelden und dann kräftig bei den Followern Werbung machen. Wenn das nichts bringt, löschen kann man den Account immer noch.

Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://mastodon.social/@eleanoreduncan" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Eleanore Duncan</a> That's kind of difficult, actually. Technically speaking, there is Friendica which was created in 2010 as a Facebook alternative (better than Facebook rather than an outright Facebook clone), and there are Hubzilla and (streams), both descendants of Friendica created by Friendica's creator. They're quite powerful, (streams) more than Friendica and Hubzilla even more than (streams), and they've got everything you need for social networking. I've made a series of tables that compare these three with one another and with Mastodon. <a href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/0a75de76-eb27-4149-b708-f20b2f79d392" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">You can find them here.</a> But if you say, "app," I suppose you mean, "dedicated native mobile phone app." This is the first hindrance. Native specialised phone apps are only available for Friendica and then only for Android and Sailfish OS. The only iOS Friendica app is a closed beta; it exists, but you have to join its beta test program instead of being able to load it from the App Store easy-peasy. Technically, you can use Friendica with some apps made for Mastodon. But you'll only have those features that Mastodon has, too. You won't see threaded conversations. You won't have text formatting. You won't have groups. You won't be able to post pictures. You won't have any access to any configuration. And so forth. You'll only have the absolute, bare-bone basics. Otherwise, and for Hubzilla and (streams) generally, there's no way around the Web interface (browser, PWA). As for community building, Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams) not only support groups, but they have groups/forums, optionally even private ones. Organisational presentation is possible, too. All three have blogging-level support of text formatting in their posts all the way to embedding an unlimited number of images right in the middle of a post. So a group could make an introduction post with headlines and bullet-point lists and tables and pictures and all the shebang and pin it at the top for all (permitted) visitors to see. Hubzilla even supports simple webpages which could be used for presentation. <a href="https://hubzilla.org" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hubzilla's own website is a webpage on a Hubzilla channel.</a> "Easy and clear," that's the issue here. Friendica has quite a bit of a learning curve. (streams) has an even steeper learning curve. Hubzilla has the steepest learning curve of all three. None of them has the UI/UX of something created by a Silicon Valley start-up from $50,000,000 of venture capital. Ironically, Hubzilla is the one with the best user documentation. But what I mean is not the user documentation built into the hubs, but <a href="https://help.hubzilla.hu/en/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">its complete re-write by a user</a> that's intended to be built into Hubzilla itself one day and replace the old documentation. If you want to peruse it, you'll have to be told by an experience Hubzilla user that it exists, and where you can find it. Still, Hubzilla is highly complex with quite a bit of pitfalls and the worst UX of the three. <a href="https://wiki.friendi.ca/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Friendica has a wiki</a>, but it mostly covers how-tos for certain things instead of being a full-blown user manual. (streams)' built-in help system is gradually being rebuilt from zero, but in the style of a technical specification again. And it's very incomplete. Still, you will need some kind of documentation to get started with all three, ideally plus how-tos for Facebook refugees on how to get started and then do Facebook things. You can't use on either of the three what you've learned from Facebook. They do have everything you need as a Facebook refugee, but it looks different, it feels different, it works differently. For example, if you're on either of the three, and you're looking for the place where you can create a new group/forum, you can look forever in vain. Unlike on Facebook, groups/forums are not an additional feature of their own. They're accounts (Friendica)/channels (Hubzilla, (streams)) like your user account/channel, but with special settings. This alone makes many Facebook users scream out that this feature is completely unuseable, simply because it isn't what they expect it to be. In addition, if you run a Friendica group on the same node as your personal account, you have to log out and back in again to administer or moderate the group and to get gack to your account. But nobody tells you to have your group on another node than your personal account. On Hubzilla and (streams), it's the opposite: It's better to not only have a group or forum on the same instance as your personal channel, but on the same account. You can have multiple channels, multiple fully separate identities on the same account because your identity is fully detached from your account. If you have your personal channel and your forum channel on the same account, you can jump back and forth between the two. But this is something that practically doesn't exist outside of Hubzilla and (streams), and so, nobody will tell you about this feature. Even if you can wrap your mind around all this, you still aren't over the hump. Especially not on Hubzilla and (streams). On Hubzilla, you can have a restricted or private group/forum. But you have to dive into the permission settings of your forum channel, a place where you're being warned that you have to act carefully, and set the corresponding permissions accordingly by hand. On (streams), there's less to configure and no warning; instead, there are not one, but four types of forums. But neither the Web interface nor the documentation tells you what's what, and what does what. Another idea, but much less like Facebook, would be <a href="https://joinmbin.org/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mbin</a>. Technically, Mbin is an alternative to Reddit and Hacker News and kind of feels like Reddit, UI-wise. But it also offers personal microblogging instead of being limited to only group discussions, and it's much more compatible with the rest of the Fediverse. There are two caveats again. One, most Mbin users are former Redditors. This means that Mbin's culture = Reddit's culture, including, but not limited to dank maymays, shitposts all over the place and potentially also power-tripping mods (if you want to join existing Mbin magazines (= subreddits) rather than starting new ones). However, I guess that Mbin, on average, is not as hostile and xenophobic towards the rest of the Fediverse as large parts of Lemmy are. Two, again, there's no iPhone app that works with Mbin. For Android, there's Interstellar. For iOS, there's only the Web interface. CC: @<a href="https://climatejustice.social/@PaulaToThePeople" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">PaulaToThePeople</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Fediverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Fediverse</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Facebook" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Facebook</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FacebookAlternative" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FacebookAlternative</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FacebookGroups" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FacebookGroups</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Friendica" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Friendica</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Hubzilla" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hubzilla</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Streams" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Streams</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=%28streams%29" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">(streams)</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Threadiverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Threadiverse</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Mbin" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mbin</a>

Jupiter RowlandThe first version of my comparison table for Mastodon, Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams) is out as <a href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/0a75de76-eb27-4149-b708-f20b2f79d392" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">an article on this channel</a>. I've intentionally added Mastodon so that Mastodon users have a reference, and so that it's clear that Mastodon doesn't work too well as an alternative to Facebook. #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Mastodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mastodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Friendica" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Friendica</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Hubzilla" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hubzilla</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Streams" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Streams</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=%28streams%29" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">(streams)</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Facebook" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Facebook</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FacebookAlternative" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FacebookAlternative</a>

Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://climatejustice.social/@PaulaToThePeople" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">PaulaToThePeople</a> A few additions: <ul><li><a href="https://fedidb.org/software" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://fedidb.org/software</a></li><li><a href="https://misskey-hub.net/en/servers/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://misskey-hub.net/en/servers/</a> (official Misskey server list; alternative to 𝕏 and Threads; caution: misskey.io is blocked by almost all western Fediverse instances)</li><li><a href="https://dir.friendica.social/servers" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://dir.friendica.social/servers</a> (official Friendica node list; alternative to Facebook)</li><li><a href="https://rumbly.net/communities?type=streams_repository" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://rumbly.net/communities?type=streams_repository</a> (known instances of a (streams) instance filtered for (streams) instances; alternative to Facebook)</li><li><a href="https://joinmbin.org/servers" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://joinmbin.org/servers</a> (official Mbin server list; alternative to Reddit and Hacker News)</li><li><a href="https://join.piefed.social/try/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://join.piefed.social/try/</a> (official PieFed instance list; alternative to Reddit and Hacker News)</li></ul> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Instances" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Instances</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseInstances" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseInstances</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Misskey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Misskey</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Friendica" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Friendica</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Streams" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Streams</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=%28streams%29" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">(streams)</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Mbin" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mbin</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=PieFed" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">PieFed</a>

Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://mastodon.de/@ehtron" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ehtron :verify:🖥️🚲:signal:</a> <blockquote>Dies ist möglicherweise der Grund warum mastodon nutzende nicht so oft interagieren.</blockquote> Vor allem liegt das aber auch an Mastodons Timeline. Da wird neuer Content einfach oben angefügt. Und jede neue Antwort ist ein neuer Beitrag, der oben angefügt wird. Was davon Mastodon-Nutzer lesen, hängt davon ab, wieviel Zeit und Bock sie haben, nach unten zu scrollen. Wenn sie jetzt ein paar hundert Leuten folgen, die auch mal alle zwei Minuten was boosten, schaffen sie höchstens das, was über ein, zwei Stunden in ihre Timeline gekommen ist. Weiter runter scrollen sie ganz einfach nicht. Und wenn sie nur einmal am Tag auf ihre Timeline gucken, verpassen sie jeden Tag mindestens 22 Stunden an Ereignissen. Das geht im Fediverse aber auch ganz anders: Friendica, das ja aktuell hoch gehandelt wird als Facebook-Alternative, und seine "noch lebenden Nachfahren" Hubzilla, (streams) und Forte haben einen Zähler für Ereignisse, auf die man noch nicht geachtet hat. Wenn man den aufklappt, erhält man eine Liste all dieser Ereignisse. Nicht die Ereignisse selbst, sondern nur eine Liste. Klickt man eins davon an, wird der komplette Thread zu diesem Ereignis geladen und (standardmäßig) alles an ungesehenen Ereignissen in diesem Thread als gesehen markiert. Wenn z. B. ein neuer Post reingekommen ist, dazu 20 Kommentare (Antworten), 15 Likes (Faves) und 15 Wiederholungen (Boosts), dann markiert man auf einen Satz 51 Ereignisse als gesehen. Und so kann man Stück für Stück das Ungelesene lesen, ohne irgendwas zu verpassen, und damit interagieren und darauf reagieren, wenn man will. Eigentlich ideal für die FOMO-Fraktion. Zur Not kann man immer noch alles mit einem Klick als gelesen markieren. Wenn das irgendwann zuviel wird, fängt man von ganz alleine an zu kuratieren, also Nutzern zu entfolgen, ihnen die Berechtigungen zum Schicken von Posts zu entziehen, Wiederholungen/Boosts zu blockieren, Inhalte zu filtern usw. Derweil merken Mastodon-Nutzer nicht mal, daß sie eigentlich schon viel zuviel Content in ihre Timeline bekommen. #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LangerPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LangerPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLangerPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLangerPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Mastodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mastodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Friendica" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Friendica</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Hubzilla" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hubzilla</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Streams" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Streams</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=%28streams%29" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">(streams)</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Forte" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Forte</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FOMO" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FOMO</a>

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